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1. Child marriage, marriage with children, and sexual relationship with children in the Quran/Islam

   Last commented by shees19939 months ago

I am 42 old man i live in Americas i was wonderign if it okay to have marry with children, i know its ilegal in country but what does Quran say. Is it haram?

1. Al-salam alaykum wa-rahmat Allah.

   Dear brother,

   Thanks for asking this good and very important question.

   The Qur’ān does not set an age limit for marriage (for obvious reasons) but the Qur’ān throughout does urge us very much to use our common sense or intellect (ՙaql).

   And children and marriage are two incompatible things, just as children and driving are.

   In other words, both child marriage and marriage with children are paradoxical notions, since marriage involves a lot of responsibility which children simply aren’t mature enough—both physically/physiologically as well as mentally/emotionally/intellectually—to take on and fulfil.

   And if someone wants to argue that child marriage or marriage with children is permissible (halal) just because the Qur’ān nowhere forbids it by name, well, then the Qur’ān doesn’t forbid underage driving anywhere by name either.

   So will they let their 5- or 10-year-old behind the wheel then?

   I hope you got the point.

   Moreover, the Qur’ān (vv. 4:3, 4:20) explicitly mentions that men may marry women of their choice, and it (v. 4:19) also explicitly forbids women being forced into marriage (by anyone).

   Simply put, there is no valid/permissible marriage in Islam without the free will and consent/permission of both the bride and the bridegroom.

   And a child’s consent to marriage cannot be taken into account until he/she reaches puberty as well as gets mature mentally/emotionally/intellectually, since children are children (i.e. they have no understanding of what’s good and bad for even themselves).

   And none of this is rocket science.

   So from all this, it follows that

   both child marriage (marriage between two children) and marriage with children (marriage between a child and an adult) are prohibited (haram), since it’s depriving them of their right to marry the person of their choice and is also stupidity and carelessness of a very high order.

   And getting sexual with children—whether in the name of marriage or otherwise—is nothing but child sexual abuse and, as Dr Islam al-Behairy (إسلام البحيري) put it, simply, child rape, and, hence, a grave crime and sin (haram) legally, Islamically, and morally.

   And in case one wants to bring up the verse 65:4 of the Qur’ān—where it says “and those [females] who did not menstruate (واللائي لم يحضن)”—to argue in favour of the permissibility of marriage with prepubescent girls, then let me tell you that the verse—from a holistic approach to the Qur’ān—relates to grown-up females with medical conditions like amenorrhoea (an abnormal absence of menstruation in women of reproductive age) and not to prepubescent girls, since marriage with the latter is corroborated nowhere in the Qur’ān.

   And in case one is wondering if there were any traditional scholars in the past to hold child marriage or marriage with children (marriage of/with prepubescent girls, in particular) to be prohibited (haram) then, yes, there were a few such traditional scholars/imams, although a minority and although not all of them used the same reasoning as mine to hold child marriage or marriage with children to be haram.

   I’m listing them here only for the sake of information and not appealing to authority in any way (since I don’t even believe them to be an authority in the first place):

   1. Ibn Shubrumah (ابن شبرمة)† [see Abū Muḥammad ՙAlī ibn Aḥmad Ibn Ḥazm al-Andalusī, “Kitāb al-Nikāḥ”, in al-Muḥallā bi’l-Āthār, ed. ՙAbd al-Ghaffār Sulaymān al-Bindārī, 12 vols (Beirut: Dār al-Kutub al-ՙIlmiyyah, 1425/2003), 9:38–9 (#1826)]

   2. ՙUthmān al-Battī (عثمان البتي)†

   3. Abū Bakr al-Aṣamm (أبو بكر الأصم)†

   4. Muḥammad ibn Ṣāliḥ al-ՙUthaymīn (محمد بن صالح العثيمين) [see Muḥammad ibn Ṣāliḥ al-ՙUthaymīn, “Kitāb al-Nikāḥ”, in al-Sharḥ al-Mumtiՙ ՙalā Zād al-Mustaqniՙ, 15 vols (Dammam: Dār Ibn al-Jawzī, 1427/[2006]), 12:51–8].

   And regarding the unfounded story that the Prophet Muḥammad ﷺ married one of his wives (ՙĀ’ishah) when she was six years old and consummated the marriage with her when she was nine years old, refer to the following:

   Aisha and Esa (Jesus)

   So the conclusion and the answer to your question is:

   yes, both child marriage (marriage between two children) and marriage with children (marriage between a child and an adult) are prohibited (haram).

   Regarding health issues related to early age marriage, see section “4. Early age marriage (health and other issues)” (p. 9–10) in the following article:

   Islamic Fiqh (Law) and the Neglected Empirical Foundation (Mohammad Omar Farooq)

   https://archive.org/download/islamicfiqhlawandtheneglectedempiricalfoundation/Islamic_Fiqh_Law_and_the_Neglected_Empir.pdf [PDF]

   Refer to the following as well:

   Marriage confusion [on the prohibition of forced marriages in Islam]

   marrige [on the requirements for marriage in Islam]

   DOES VERSE 65:4 PROVIDE CONSENT TO CONSUMMATE A MARRIAGE WITH A FEMALE MINOR? (Joseph A. Islam)

   http://quransmessage.com/pdfs/Verse%2065-4.pdf [PDF]

   ‎زواج الصغيرات .. شرع أم جريمة ؟ - د. عدنان إبراهيم [“Marriage of minor girls: shariah/law or crime?” - Dr Adnan Ibrahim] [Arabic]†

   حكم الزواج بالصغيرة والاستمتاع بها: IslamWeb.net†

   is children marriage allowed in Islam? [debate between Dr Islam al-Behairy and a Salafi fanatic] [Arabic with English subtitles]

   ع ق ل - Quran Dictionary: The Quranic Arabic Corpus

   List of countries by minimum driving age: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

   Hope this clears your doubts.

   Wal-salam alaykum wa-rahmat Allah.

   1. Thank you brother, i apologize for the late response this has been very helpful.

      1. You’re welcome. :)

   2. Is having sex with or kissing someone before marriage haram? (sex, kissing, touching, homosexuality)

2. it doesn’t matter if they mature sexually, teenagers and children make mistakes and can not make such a life-changing decision. i find it quite disgusting that people don’t see that as sexual abuse since the poor child cannot consent. they will be left scarred for life and lose their childhood.

3. Yes, it is halal/allowed in Islam. The minimum age of marriage in Islam is the age of puberty. As you may know child marriage was common during Muhammad pbuh’s time.

   This is due to the fact that children of that era grew up faster (mentally and/or physically) than nowadays' children do. For example, a 12 year old child who was born and raised 1400 years ago should be considered as older since the children of our time are much softer and childish.

   Quick recap, a 6th century 12 year old child ≠ a 21st century 12 year old child.

   Which means that children nowadays aren’t as grown up as they used to be. This is due to the environment they live in; the ancient societies weren’t child centered; children as old as 7 years old were considered as mini adults and even started working in fields (not only in the arabian world), in my country, like 50 years ago, children would start working at an early age and even start marrying at the age of puberty. Early marriage was common back then, not only among the muslims but christians and hindus too. I could write a whole paragraph about the Nature VS Nurture debate on child marriage but I won’t just for the sake of time.

   Which brings us to my conclusion, in MY OPINION, child marriage should not be practiced anymore(I’m not saying it should be “haraamized” btw). Hope this answers your question brother.

   1. Do you still believe this answer of yours to be correct in the wake of my answer to this question?

      Also, what’s your age?

      1. First tell me, in what way is my answer wrong?

         1. Each and every sentence of what you wrote is either wrong and/or unsubstantiated.

            You have not provided any evidences and references for what you wrote about Islam nor any statistical research data to support what you wrote about the growth of children being different in previous times.

            Moreover, I have shown from the Qur’ān itself as to why marriage involving a child is haram and why it rather constitutes child rape!

            So that means you will now have to prove that I’m drawing wrong conclusions from the Qur’ān as well as prove your own points to be true from the Qur’ān itself.

            And if you’re unable to do that then either simply admit that your answer is wrong and/or unsubstantiated and that you were speaking without proper knowledge and study or I’ll ban you and you can take your ass somewhere else.

            This is a very serious issue, and I’m not gonna let any ignorant fanatic come out here and preach to people anything without any proof or evidence!

            Your time starts now.

            And please feel free to take as much offence as you like!

            1. I asked you in what way I was wrong. You could’ve just told me that instead of being rude.

               1. I’ve proven my case from the Qur’ān itself. That means your answer automatically stands wrong in the wake of my answer, since I said it’s haram whereas you said it’s halal. So both of them cannot be right.

                  That’s why I asked you to substantiate your answer by the Qur’ān and prove mine to be wrong by the Qur’ān or simply admit that you were speaking without knowledge and study.

                  In case you don’t do either of the two options, I’ll make you leave.

                  And when it comes to Islam and matters of right/wrong, I can be way more rude and aggressive than that!

                  And I’ve been fair to you by giving you the chance to prove your points and to prove mine wrong.

                  And don’t waste my time by beating around the bush.

                  I’m waiting for your reply.

                  1. As salamu alaykum brother, Allah undoubtedly prohibits the marriage of prepubescent people, in the case of Aisha (ra) and the other people of that time, lived in a harsh environment (more on that in my first answer). Infant mortality rate were pretty high.

                     This caused children to grow both mentally and physically faster. They matured quicker. They were able to make decisions that modern day adults would make. There are many tribes where there people develop much faster than the average people and by average people I mean the average people who are not from tribes. The Bedouin are a perfect example.

                     The Qur’ān does not set an age limit for marriage (for obvious reasons) but the Qur’ān throughout does urge us very much to use our common sense or intellect (ՙaql).

                     Would you rather marry a 6th century 10 year old girl, who is mature and both mentally and physically ready? By “ready” I mean she’s already gone through puberty and she is Islamically “legal”

                     Or a 21st century 10 year old girl whose MOST LIKELY to be immature and had already undergone puberty?

                     If you chose the first one, then Islamically speaking, if she gives her consent then it’s not haram.

                     If you chose the second one then it’s haram because she obviously isn’t ready due to our common sense.

                     1. Wa-alaykum al-salam wa-rahmat Allah.

                        Do you guys think I’m stupid and that you’ll fool me with such lame and pathetic arguments of yours?

                        All you guys know is to beg the question!

                        I want you to back your claims, like the ones below, with Qur’ānic evidences and/or research articles:

                        1. “Allah undoubtedly prohibits the marriage of prepubescent people”

                        2. “people of that time, lived in a harsh environment” which

                        3. “caused children to grow both mentally and physically faster” and hence

                        4. “they matured quicker” and “they were able to make decisions that modern day adults would make”

                        5. “a 6th century 10 year old girl” is “mature and both mentally and physically ready”

                        6. “a 21st century 10 year old girl” who had already undergone puberty is “MOST LIKELY to be immature”.

                        Also,

                        1. how do you know with certainty that “people of that time, lived in a harsh environment”? since your own Muslim Ḥadīth scholars/imams admitted centuries ago that not even a single ḥadīth of all the Ḥadīth literature yields certainty

                        2. how, in your view, puberty = mental maturity (along with physical maturity)?

                        3. define the terms:

                           1. Islamically legal

                           2. puberty

                           3. physical maturity

                           4. mental maturity

                           5. harsh environment.

                        4. “more on that in my first answer”: and where is that?

                        In case you guys, both @Mister and @RandomBrother, couldn’t substantiate your respective claims coherently and respond to my questions consistently within 24 hours, I’m not gonna put up with your bullshit anymore and gonna ban both of you.

                        Regarding the statements of Muslim Ḥadīth scholars/imams who admitted that the Ḥadīths do not yield certainty—including the so-called “ṣaḥīḥ” ones—refer to the following article of mine:

                        Authenticity of the Qur'an

                        https://archive.org/download/AuthenticityOfTheQuran_/Authenticity%20of%20the%20Qur%27an.pdf [PDF]

                        And so-called “research articles” by/from Saudi sources won’t be counted.

                        1. As salamu alaykum brother, don’t judge ancient times with today’s standards.

                           1. Wa-alaykum al-salam wa-rahmat Allah.

                              Thank you for your time. Goodbye.

4. Good answer from Sheikh Assim Alhakeem https://youtu.be/yLWxhn3Pmvk

   1. That was the most ridiculous, lamest, and irrelevant answer I ever heard of!

      For your/his “good answer” to be truly good, it should clarify the questioner’s exact doubts/questions relevantly and not beat around the bush or be merely apologetic!

      At the beginning of the clip itself, he says one should not respond to every/any question! LOL! :D

      It would have been far most honest for him to say that he didn’t know the answer instead of blaming the questioner for asking his doubts!

      And for your/his answer to be good, it should respond relevantly and convincingly to all the objections I made on this page. Looks like you’re posting comments without even reading anything.

      Anyways, here’s my answer:

      Aisha and Esa (Jesus)

      Also, do not forget to read all the comments on this page.

      Wal-salam alaykum wa-rahmat Allah.

      1. Bhai, correct me if I’m wrong but are you saying that Muhammad (saw) commited an act of rape because he married Aisha (ra)?

         1. Not at all! I never said that.

            This is what I actually said:

            The source of such allegations is the Ḥadīths.

            And—unlike the Qur’ān—the Ḥadīths do not yield certainty/yaqīn, as admitted by the Ḥadīth scholars themselves, nor do they form a part or source of Islam.

            I have discussed that in detail here in the following article of mine, with scholarly citations and references:

            Authenticity of the Qur'an

            I am saying that it is not proven that the Prophet Muḥammad married and/or consummated the marriage with a six- or nine-year-old girl.

            Read my answer on the link carefully:

            Aisha and Esa (Jesus)

            In my article “Authenticity of the Qur'an”, I have shown that the Muslim Ḥadīth scholars are themselves admitting that even the ṣaḥīḥ ḥadīths do not yield certainty/yaqīn; that means they are saying that even the ṣaḥīḥ ḥadīths are not 100% true or yaqīnī.

            So if even the ṣaḥīḥ ḥadīths are notyaqīnī, then why are you believing such stories about the Prophet Muḥammad?!

            I have also shown there that, according to some scholars, her age was not six/nine but rather somewhere between fifteen (15) to twenty-five (25) at the time of marriage and/or consummation.

            1. As salamu alaikum brother. I hope there’s no hate between us. What do you think would be the appropriate minimal age for marriage in Islam?

               1. Wa-alaykum al-salam wa-rahmat Allah.

                  Islam did not set a lower or upper age limit for marriage, and this is what Islam did best by not setting an age limit for marriage, because marriage involves a lot of factors and people may choose to marry for various reasons; hence, it would have been an unnecessary hardship for people if Islam had set an age limit for marriage.

                  But, as I pointed out in my answer above, both marriage between children and marriage with children are haram.

                  What is important is that the person himself/herself should decide if he/she wants to get married and if he/she is also ready/mature enough for it; and I already pointed out that by maturity I do not mean simply physical maturity.

                  And there’s no hate between us.

                  1. So in other words, if a 10, 12 or 15 year old whose both mentally and physically mature and wants to be married without any pressure is allowed?

                     1. Yes; why not?

                        Also, the rate of maturity differs from people to people. By that, I mean that not all people are at the same level of maturity at the same age.

                        So if what you said is the case then there is nothing wrong with that.

                        But one should also follow the law of the country in that regard.

                        And I do not think kids below the age of 10, whether males or females, are able to handle marriage properly. Even 12 years is too early an age for marriage, I would say, personally.

                        Regarding health issues related to early age marriage, see section “4. Early age marriage (health and other issues)” (pp. 9–10) in the following article:

                        Islamic Fiqh (Law) and the Neglected Empirical Foundation (Mohammad Omar Farooq)

1. Is this Islamic preacher's view on porn correct?

   by I want to learn islam7 months ago | 2 comments

I was searching whether porn is haram or makruh and came across and islamic preacher who said:Pls tell me if he is right or wrong and pls can you justify it if possible.

“Certainly makruhHaram is a grey area because porn did not exist in the days of Mohammad and is not, therefore, expressly forbidden or haram.

Maulana Accepting Reality needs to start accepting the reality that he is an ignoramus who shoots his mouth off without thinking.

Now, permit me to explain why it is makhruh. As you know, you are supposed to lower your gaze and not look at the awrah. In porn, you do that. The instruction for lowering the gaze was mustahabb,or recommended, therefore, doing the opposite is makhruh or frowned upon and undesirable.

Allah knows best.'

Islamweb Net Arabic

1. Al-salam alaykum wa-rahmat Allah.

   Dear brother/sister,

   Good question.

   (1)

   First of all, refer to the following chart:

   Five types of acts in Islamic law (multilingual)

   (2)

   You need to realize that some things are haram by name (i.e. explicit mention), whereas some things are haram in principle.

   Refer to the following for details:

   When can something be called haram?: Rules for declaring things haram (Music & School)

   (3)

   Porn is haram in principle (i.e. it goes against the guidelines of the Qur’ān, although nowhere mentioned to be haram by name).

   Refer to the following to know the details for the prohibition of porn:

   Sexting (phone sex or sexual talking)

   Masturbation: further related queries (2) [on the prohibition of pornography]

   (4)

   The expression “lowering of/from their gaze” (Qur’ān 24:30–1) does not refer to lowering the gaze physically; it refers to refraining from lustful sight.

   Refer to the following:

   Sexual Assault [on lowering the gaze as well]

   Commentary on verse 30 of Sūrah al-Nūr (Sūrah 24) [footnote #43] in al-Bayān by Javed Ahmad Ghamidi [Urdu-only]

   1. ⇒ غضّ: An Arabic-English Lexicon by Edward William Lane

   Q&A: What Does Lowering The Gaze Mean? | Dr. Shabir Ally: YouTube

   (5)

   Majority of the scholars follow the following principle:

   الأمر للوجوب إلا أن تصرفه قرينة

   which means:

   [every] command (amr) entails obligation (wujūb) unless the context (qarīnah) changes it (i.e. unless there is evidence to the contrary).

   So every command of Allah and/or of His Messenger is by default obligatory.

   This rule is based on several verses of the Qur’ān (e.g. 24:63; 33:36; 7:12–13), and is, therefore, correct.

   This is explained here in more detail:

   بحث في القاعدة الأصولية: الأمر للوجوب إلا أن تصرفه قرينة: IslamWeb.net [Arabic-only]

   دلالة الأمر عند الأصوليين: Alukah [Arabic-only]

   Hence, all the commandments, including “lowering of/from the gaze”, are obligatory (wājib/farḍ) and not merely recommended (mandūb/mustaḥabb).

   CONCLUSION

   Keeping all the above points in mind, we thus conclude that porn is haram and not merely discouraged (makrūh).

   Refer to the links mentioned in (3) above to know how/why porn is haram in principle.

   Hope this clears your doubts.

   Wal-salam alaykum wa-rahmat Allah.

2. It is totally HARAM.